topic. that said government agencyies like nasa and the department of defense are currently doing research to further increase automation in the cockpit. >> interesting stuff. amazing stuff. renee marsh. erin burnett outfront starts right now. good evening from seoul, south korea. the u.s. secretary of defense ashton carter in his first in-depth interview as secretary. a massive bomb built to take out iran's fortified nuke site. breaking news on major story we have been following in the u.s. new dash cam video just released in the south carolina shooting. what happened in the seconds before walter scott was shot and killed. let's go outfront.

good evening to our viewers in the united states and around the world. welcome to a special edition of outfront tonight. it's 8:00 a.m. in seoul, south korea. a lot to get to in my interview with ashton carter. that's america's new secretary of defense. i'm going to talk about a new nuclear threat to america. we begin with the crucial nuclear deal with iran. cold could it be dead? iran supreme leader is making a major new demand. secretary carter says the demand

is a non-starter. also is the bunker busting bomb that the pentagon has been testing able to detroy it. >> yes, that's what it's designed to do. the weapon is the massive ordinance penetrateorpenetrator. we continue to improve it and upgrade it over time. >> is it ready now if it had to be used? >> it is. it could do that now. the u.s. senator, tom cotton said this week campaign to take out iran's nuclear facility if you needed to go ahead with that option could take several days. that's it. is that right? >> i can't go into specific

military plan. i will see this that we have the capability to shut down set back and destroy the iranian nuclear program. i believe they know that and understand that. certainly everybody else knows that and understands that. if we were to do that it's also important to think about what the next step would be. as the president has indicated they could over time recreate a nuclear program. they would then be free of sanctions because this whole arrangement would have blown up. we would be in a worse position then. >> just to follow up on your point, though, the negotiation would put them a year away from a bomb as opposed to two to three months. you're saying a military option wouldn't do any better than one

year? >> one year objective that comparison came from. they could reconstruct. if we had taken that -- >> strikes would put it back five years or something like that. >> they would do whatever they wanted. here is the quote, intervening before mortal threats will hinder u.s. policy. you have recommended preemptive strikes before. in iran what would make you say we do need to do a preemptive strike? >> in the case of north korea then we're beginning to have discussions with north korea which didn't get anywhere about their miss missile program.

we wanted to have a military option also. that's what i was referring to in that article and the same principal applyies today in the case of the negotiations with the iranians. we obviously prefer negotiated outcome but we have to protect ourselves. >> in the past day the supreme leader of iran said he's not optimistic there would be a deal and he wouldn't allow inspections. in the blue print that the united states provided those would have been a part of this deal. how big of a blow is that for you if there's no inspections of military sites? that gives you a big blind spot shs doesn't it? >> any agreement has to have verification provisions. >> of all sites? >> based on verification. these are ongoing and they have a few months to work these

things out. any successful grem hasagreement has to have adequate provision. >> adequate would include military sites. >> absolutely. >> president obama has referred to isis as a j.v. team. how would you describe isis right now? >> well it's an organization that is extreme in its brutality and in fact uses its barberarrism as a recruiting tool and have appealed to these lost soul over the world. they'll be defeated. i'm confident of that. >> you told consider you would

hesitate when it comes to all options fighting isis. if you felt boots on the ground was appropriate, you would recommend that. he has repeatedly said no to that. do you think he would take your advise if you said mr. president, we need to put american troops on the ground. would he listen to you? >> one thing about president obama is that he is very open to and accepting advice. i think if we came to the conclusion that was necessary, boots on the ground to use your phrase, in order to defeat isil and that seemed necessary and advisable then i'm confident he would listen to that. we're not at that point yet. i did indicate that i would not hesitate to give that advice.

we have learned it's not enough that they be defeated but stay defeat defeated. that people that live there need to make sure the peace is kept. a lasting defeat requires other boots on the ground than american or coalition boots. >> what's a bigger threat to the united states right now? is it isis or al qaeda? >> al qaeda has now suffered more than a decade of constant pounding by the united states. they are much reduced compared to what they were. however, they still have a serious preoccupation with direct attacks upon the united states particularly several branches of aqap.

i think we have to remain worried about al qaeda. >> you said aqap is growing now in yemen. >> they have opportunities in yemen that they didn't have with the government. they're in the middle of a civil war that creates opportunities for terrorist groups. >> isis is growing right now? >> isis is under a lot of pressure also in iraq and syria. we aim to keep them under that pressure and to make them so preoccupied with their own survival they can't have any ambitions outside of that region. they try to recruit from the west of the united states. if you read their rhetoric it's extremely dangerous to us. >> joining me now is the retired u.s. major general james

spidermarx. secretary carter absolute on the issue of military sites that the u.s. must have access to them. he also said it depend pendson what mean by military site. is he tries to expand that? how do you determine that? >> that's what he's doing. it's where personnel train. when you marry up a technology with some transport director launcher device, a military facility could billion a commercial production. you put it on a t.e.l. and move that someplace and launch it. let's not narrowly define what a

military location is. it allows us to have the option to know what we're looking at. >> that's pretty interesting. that sounds like is he's trying to expand the definition. he also said that bunker buster bomb is ready to go. as you know they have been testing that and had problems with it. last week they said it was further along but not quite ready. he was categorical. that is really now. senator tom cotton said there should be military strikes on iran. he said they could complete them in a couple of days. the defense secretary seems to say sure i could, but that would set them back a year because they would rebuild. the year only does a year. do you think that strikes would make sense at this time? >> strikes make sense as a part of a larger strategy that we have to put in place.

this would give the united states the international community maybe 15 years, maybe 20 years in terms of some very robust inspections. were they at some time during that period to divert and break those conditions. then the united states would have a very high bar that they have to cross over. the capability exists. our threshold for engaging like that is pretty high. what's important is israel, they would have a much lower level of tolerance but they would have to get the bunker buster from us. >> thank you very much. i appreciate that. next the heavily fortified border in the world. i'm going to take you idea

korea's dmz and over the line into north korea. plus a top american commander warns that north korea has a missile capable of striking the main land united states. more of my interview with ashton carter. >> that's precisely why we have missile defense capable of intercepting missiles coming from north korea to the united states. i'll talk to a north korean detack defactor.

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tonight we have new pictures of kim jung-un. state run television releasing these photos of kim. he's wearing gauze and a bandage on his right wrist. it's not clear what the injury might be. it's a significant display of weakness in a country known for flaunting an iron fist through its dictator. his country is in a bitter war with south korea. it's the dmz that's about two and a half miles wide.

that's all that stands between the two enemies. nearly 30,000 troops are here to protect the south from a northern invasion. in a strange and lonely place. >> for your protection. i want to make sure you guys are safe. >> we're going here on the actual line to go into north korea. i have to walk this way. we can't shoot left or right. we can only shoot forward. there's a lot of restrictions on our camera. we pass sop anti-tank explosives and we're about to go into these blue rooms and into the north korea line. they still meet in these rooms. >> the last known visit was 2008. >> the microphones are what defines the line. it seems to easy. it's just one step but when you think about the militarization and the barbed wire it's far

from easy. this concrete slab is literally the border. we're shooting it from northern side 17" by 5". concrete. it's been here since 1953. they don't use e-mail. they don't use a phone. there's a phone but it rings and rings and the north koreaen don't understand. they communicate by bull horn. if i were to do that outside the building to step over that line here what would happen to me? >> all these soldiers would make an attempt to stop you. especially me. once you get over there, questionwe can no longer help you. >> what would they do? >> probably grab you. >> to serve here they have to be 5'9" which is taller than average and every single one of them has a black belt in tae kwon do.

they stand here every day and stare at each other. the concrete building is where north korean tourists can come to visit the dmz. a lot of chinese come to the north korean side. the soldier stands there every single day. they don't know him name but they refer to him as bob. we're surrounded by north korea now? >> yes. all this tree line and around that road and back is all north korea. >> it's all north korea and where we are is sort of one little safe spot but this is all mined as well? >> yes, there's a thousand mines within this area. >> there's a cement wall to prevent defactors from coming over to the south. it's called the bridge of no return. 62 years after the cease-fire it's still a lonely place. it's pretty amazing how lonely it was and what a blast from the

past it was that you could still get grabbed over that border but a pretty powerful experience to visit it. a top pentagon official has developed the ability to do something very significant. this comes have new missile tests were conducted this week just in time for the defense secretary's visit. i asked secretary carter apt the north korean threat. >> as secretary of defense this is one of the place where is we are most on tiptoes every single day. the slogan of u.s. forces korea is be ready to fight tonight. nobody wants that to occur, but it's where we have the most ready forces. >> the north koreans can load a nuclear missile, nuclear missile

which is incredibly hard to do if they were able to do that operationally, it would be significant breakthrough. what's your intelligence on that now? >> i can't talk about intelligence. i will tell you that we try to stay ahead of missile threats. we have been thinking now for some years about the possibility of a missile that could reach the united states. that's the reason why we beefed up our missile defense located in alaska. >> there's reports and the homeland commander said north korea would have the ability to strike the continental united states. we're talking about cities like los angeles, seattle, san francisco. that's also something that would be significant. that's further. it's the continental united states. >> that's precisely why we have

missile defense in alaska. that's intended to be capable of intercepting missiles coming from north korea to the united states. all you have to do is listen to what they say. they threaten south korea and japan and the u.s. homeland. they have for years. i'll tell you a story, if i may. i went to north korea way back with former secretary of defense bill perry. we were meeting with the top military leader there and who said to secretary perry, we will turn seoul into a sea of flames. we will turn tokyo into a sea of flames. he said dr. perry where are you from? he said san francisco. he said we will turn san francisco into sea of flames. >> you talk about sea of fire videos kim jung-un has released

several of those videos. some of the images and threats are almost comic when you watch them. it's hard to believe they are raet life and real threats. >> it's a good question. it's really hard to say. i think we do need to be concerned about inexperience in a new leader. whether a leader that's inexperienced takes risks or takes steps beyond what that which other countries will accept. we are concerned about his behavior. we are concerned about him overreaching. that's one of the reasons why i'm here. >> dennis rodman said that kim jung-un was awesome and calls him a friend. he said he's been misunderstood and he wants to talk to president obama. here is dennis rodman. >> meet him or give him call.

that's all he wants. if he wants to bomb anybody in the world, he would have done it. it's amazing how you pull things back. >> do you think it's a problem that dennis rodman is the only one who seems to have a direct line to kim jung-un right now? >> it does suggest inexperience and isolation and difficulty understanding what kind of impression he's leaving on people outside of north korea. it's a reflection of the great isolation he's lived and the people around him has lived. >> you're a physicist and worked on nuclear issue frss for a long time. here is what you said in an interview. >> it wouldn't surprise you to find out the north koreaen were helping the iranians develop a nuclear bomb? >> wouldn't surprise me. >> would the countries be

working together now? >> they could be. they have worked together over time. north korea worked with syria and helped build a reactor at one time. north korea is a welcome all comers. that's a pattern that's been going on for a long time and is yet another reason why they're dangerous. next, my exclusive interview. her life in the world's most oppressive country. how she escaped. breaking news, never before dash cam video that south carolina shooting. it captures the last seconds before walter scott was shot and killed. oh, i love game night. ooh, it's a house and a car! so far, you're horrible at this, flo. yeah, no talent for drawing, flo. house! car! oh, raise the roof!

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welcome back to our viewers in the united states and around the world. we are live in seoul south korea korea. she told me what life was like

inside that brutal country and about her amazing escape. first, we have breaking news on a major story we have been following all week in the united states. the shooting of an unarmed black man by a white police officer in south carolina. new dash cam video just released to cnn shows officers arriving on the scene after walter scott was shot. you can see what appears to be officer michael slager. he's there standing over scott's body and then a glimpse of the man who recorded the actual shooting. that shows officer slager firing at scott in the back as he's running away. the video may be disturbing and jason carol is outfront from north charleston with the latest. >> reporter: walter scott's loved ones and supporters coming together for wake this evening as his family prepares for his funeral tomorrow. this as investigators at the

south carolina law enforcement division or s.l.e.d. continue to gather evidence surrounding the shooting. north charleston police called the state agency to the scene. >> do you have license and registration? >> reporter: the dash cam shows him making a run for it. amateur cell phone video capturing the shooting moments later. even before the video emerged s.l.e.d. investigators notice there were inconsistencies including what appeared to be gunshot wounds in mr. scott's back. they have interviewed the passenger hoping he can provide information. slager's attorney frustrated he's not getting information from law enforcement. despite having made requests he's not received the cooperation from law enforcement that the media has and he's yet to receive any investigative documents the, audio or

videotapes. todd watches the video unable to believe his eyes remembering another shooting of another unarmed african-american by a member of south carolina law enforcement. >> i couldn't believe it. here again, for the second time in less than a year we had a situation in south carolina where an officer took it upon himself to execute justice. >> reporter: he's the attorney who represented lavar jones. shot by a state trooper after getting pulled over by a seat belt violation. the officer's dash cam captured what happened. >> why.edu you shoot me? >> well you dove head first back into your car. >> i'm sorry. >> reporter: jones sur viefvived, the officer fired. jones filed a civil suit against the officer which was settled. scott's family plans to file a civil suit as well but state law caps judgments in civil cases

like this at $300,000. he warns that scott's family like jones could be capped as well. >> one of the things i would encourage is the state of south carolina the city of north charleston to tell this family to tell the world where do you value mr. scott's life. >> reporter: erin tonight here at city hall a vigil for walter scott. many people wearing shirts that say black lives matter. tomorrow scott's family will say their final good-byes. his funeral scheduled for 11:00 a.m. erin. >> all right. thank you very much. now, attorney daryl parks. leapt he represents the family of michael brown. that was the black teenager shot and killed by a white officer in ferguson missouri. daryl, let me start with you because we have this new dash cam video from this shooting. every piece of video is shocking

and hard to watch, incredible to believe that it's true. we could get more video. we're watsiting for more video. it may disturb me. it may disturb you and everyone watching but can any of this new evidence change the case? >> without question it can't. i think the additional footage that we're receiving is additional to be considered. the main video is the video where the officer squarely stands and shoots multiple shots at many scott. those things speak for themselves. >> paul a witness says there was a tussle. that's the word used. there is a gap. just a little bit of a gap between the dash cam video of the traffic stop. that's where you see scott run and the graphic cell phone video where scott is shot and killed.

that now infamous video. we know the traffic stop occurred 200 yards away from where he was shot. there's a five-minute time gap. how significant is that gap? is there anything that the officer could use to justify what seems so unjustifiable? >> i think from a criminal law standpoint the most important moments are the last few seconds. this is from the time of what's described as a tussle until the fatal shots. it's clear no threat is posed to the officer because mr. scott is not turning or facing the officer and the officer is just shooting him in the back. now, could there be something significant in the gap? yes is the answer to that question. the officer may claim his life was threatened in the tussle which we don't have film of yet. that's going to be his entire defense in the case he felt his life was in danger and possibly that mr. scott had a weapon. i see no evidence of that in any

video that i've seen so far. >> right. certainly. if you're standing there and walking slowly shooting someone in the back eight times it's hard to say you thought your life was at risk at that moment. daryl, here is the big question. none of this means that officer slager will go to jail for the rest of his life for murder? this case will go before a grand jury and that's as soon as may 5th. when you look at michael brown and eric garner, the unarmed eded black man who died from an officer's choke hold. juries didn't indict the white officer. will you get one here in? >> i think you will. i think you have other things that will be considered by a grand jury. you have this officer goes back picks something up off the ground and walks toward mr. scott's body and put it on the ground close to his body. you have the radio communication

where he obviously calls in something that possibly could not be true. in fact he said the guy was reaching for his taser which we see clearly that not at the time he killed him. there's plenty of inconsistencies we're seeing come out. i'm sure there's plenty more we will learn as time goes on. >> it seems impossible to imagine there wouldn't be an indictment in this case. one can only imagine what the response could be around the nation and around the world as people watch this story. next my exclusive interview with a north korean defactor and if given the chance to escape again, she would choose to stay in north korea. the north's erratic leader even a pleasure squad to serve him now, tonight we have new pictures of kim. is he injured?

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in her own out of fear. >> we learned from when we were young that americans are our primary ennynyemy who kill the citizens during the korean war. we thought americans are not as normal human beings, so they are the people we must kill them off. >> what did you learn? i know kim jung-il was the leader when you were in elementary school. what did you learn about him? >> we believed they were gods. i didn't think they go to the bathrooms. it was not seriously. i didn't know they do same thing as human being. then when i was 14 which is the year kim il-sung died i realized god can die. i didn't know he could die one

day. >> something started to change? >> yeah, yeah. that's pretty cloetsse from the famine. i realized my country was not right. we were close to the border. we share the border. china was much worse than my country. i can see china's economy was much developed than us. >> you can physically see it right because it was so close. you can see they have lights? you considerwere 17. it was so close. you almost didn't plan it. you didn't tell your mother that you were leaving, did you? >> yeah. i didn't know.

as a teenage girl i just wanted to find out the truth what it looked like you know in china, but i didn't admit that i wanted to completely escape the country basis i have all the family back in north korea. all the relatives there. i don't want to make them in trouble. >> now that you live in seoul, and you were able to get your immediate family your mother your brother out eventually. you were looking back and saying that even though you have such a better life now, you don't know that you would do it again. >> if i had a chance at the time whether if i can go i can cross the border or stay in north korea, i would stay in north korea. >> you would stay? >> all of that i've experienced over the years, the painful feeling, the separating with the

families and all the relatives and with the friends that i loved all together all memories in there. i have no identity after that. >> overa powerful interview. she said it was worth it to try to make a difference but she wouldn't do it again. thank you so much. you just heard her story. a very powerful story. she was lucky in she was able to defect. many people try and are caught. what happens to them? >> as far as we understand when you're caught many of them are executed. you are sent back to prison camps. we know they run a series of political -- horrible things happen to them. that's what we know.

>> it's terrifying when you think about the risks they take. kim jung-un has taken power. that number has dropped. we're talking about half. now you have half the number of people defecting. i asked the defense secretary is he worse than his father. in some ways people are more afraid to leave. what do you think about that? >> the reason we have so many defectors earlier was that the north korean system was falling apart with the famine and everything. at a certain point the regime just let things go because they couldn't feed them so just let them go. now he's trying to fashion himself as a great leader with a powerful nation with nuclear arms. now he wants to say he has control over things and he can't have defectors running away and showing up in south korea. >> is he cracking down more and executing them or more people buying into his vision in.

>> no it's beefing up more security on the border and asking the chinese to capture them and repaytriate them. >> thank you so much. i appreciate your being here. next new pictures of north korea's bizarre and unpredictable leader with bandages.

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outfront tonight, live from seoul. new photos just released by north korean state media show kim jong-un with a white bandit on his wrist. no word what this injury might be but a series of bizarre injuries. he is one of the most reclusive people on earth but accumulated astonishing well. kim hoarding estimated $5

billion in assets. the average north korean earns over 600 a year and many go without food. paula hancocks with that. >> reporter: man enjoys a fun day at the amusement park. every photo highly choreographed and image analyzed around the world. north korean leader kim jong-un must know every move is watched. last year out of control. was he dead? guess is ankle surgery. and now a bandage on his right wrist although it didn't stop him shaving or hands. shaves his hair and even shrinking eyebrows get international attention. but to counter the flippant there's the sobering.

rocket launchers, a third nuclear test. brutal prison camps and purges. including his uncle tech executed in 2013 for allegedly trying to overthrow the government. ken yongdo was a member of the elite and still contacts in pyongyang. said he's erratic and unpredictable. he's much younger than when jong-il took picture. he's trying to show he's fearless and does things that put him in the way of danger and feels the need to show off. some tastes have been passed down from father to son. although with kim jong-un, skirts are shorter and the music are funkier but the entertainment doesn't start there, according to kim jong-il,'s former body guard. women that attend over the need and no doubt the son has the same. there are usually six ladies in

their early 20s, said lee young-guk. they have to be a certain height and charming. they're trained from a young age to sing and talk politics and economics. >> pleasure squads. an astounding concept when you think this is actually real life. paula is with me now but say defectors say the reason from the eyebrows in half to show he's quote unquote strong and mean. mean for sure. strong perhaps not. paula, it's interesting the defense secretary ashton carter was talking about kim jong-un. he's inexperienced and inexperienced leaders take risks. he has a lot to prove. your report shows that you have to show this power. >> exactly. this is a man in early 30s, in charge of one of the most isolated countries on earth. he doesn't have the credibility that his father and grandfather had. he doesn't have the years of experience the years in the public eye.

this is very apparent. hiss a asengs is very sudden. he feels he has to be more cruel to prove credentials and his father never executed. he banished for a few years but not like kim jong-un and execute. >> now they punish generations of a family. >> this is what some defectors told us. if one person manages to escape then three generations left in north korea sent to a prison camp. that is an incentive not to defect. the defectors, they're well placed. they said something interesting that they believe that kim jong-un is not for this world. they say between three and five years, because everyone is so scared of him, that loyalty is wavering. >> paula hancocks thank you. live in seoul. we'll be right back with our special edition of outfront live from korea.

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